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| ====== Frequently Asked Questions for Prospective Players ====== | ====== Frequently Asked Questions for Prospective Players ====== |
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| In short, this is an **old-school** game, with all that connotates. The game is a **sandbox** game run **beer-and-pretzels** style. **I treat the game as a game** and not some sort of grand storytelling event or realistic simulation. Also, since I have a life I am looking for a **minimum of prep time** to get to the table and have fun. | In short, this is an **old-school** game, with all that connotates. The game is a **sandbox** game run **beer-and-pretzels** style. **I treat the game as a game** and not some sort of grand storytelling event or realistic simulation. Also, since I have a life I am looking for a **minimum of prep time** to get to the table and have fun. |
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| You might also be interested in checking out my [[:player:restless#dming_style|DMing style]]. | You might also be interested in checking out my [[user:restless#dming_style|DMing style]]. |
| ==== More detail ==== | ==== More detail ==== |
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| | {{ :meta:kickdoorslootrooms.jpg?direct&240|...the way Gary intended.}} |
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| Foremost, this is a **[[wp>Beer and pretzels game|"beer-and-pretzels"]]** game. We're here to have fun and don't take things too seriously. Let's have a few laughs, kill monsters and take their stuff! | Foremost, this is a **[[wp>Beer and pretzels game|"beer-and-pretzels"]]** game. We're here to have fun and don't take things too seriously. Let's have a few laughs, kill monsters and take their stuff! |
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| In that vein, this is an **[[definitions#old-school_gaming|old-school]]** style game; we're going to part... er, game like it's 1979!... or '82... or //something// like that. It's a rules-light, rulings-not-rules, DM-fiat, damn-the-splatbooks sort of experience. If your meat and potatoes consists entirely of complex character builds, [[gameinfo:definitions#min-maxer|min-maxing]], [[gameinfo:definitions#rules_lawyer|rules lawyering]] and perfect character balance then this probably isn't your ideal game; that doesn't mean you can't have fun, though! | In that vein, this is an **[[dict>old-school_gaming|old-school]]** style game; we're going to part... er, game like it's 1979!... or '82... or //something// like that. It's a rules-light, rulings-not-rules, DM-fiat, damn-the-splatbooks sort of experience. If your meat and potatoes consists entirely of complex character builds, [[dict>min-maxer|min-maxing]], [[dict>rules_lawyer|rules lawyering]] and perfect character balance while simultaneously taking advantage of power creep then this probably isn't your ideal game; that doesn't mean you can't have fun, though! |
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| The game is a **[[definitions#sandbox|sandbox]]** (albeit a shallow one at first). Players are in charge of setting their goals and balance of risk versus reward. Also, there are events happening in the world, but there's no overarching plot they are expected or required to take part in. Instead, there's just an overarching environment. This isn't //story// time, it's //game// time. | The game is a **[[dict>sandbox|sandbox]]** (albeit a shallow one at first). Players are in charge of setting their goals and balance of risk versus reward. Also, there are events happening in the world, but there's no overarching plot they are expected or required to take part in. Instead, there's just an overarching environment. This isn't //story// time, it's //game// time. |
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| Speaking of, a game should be just that: **gamey**. Players move their characters around, things are measured in turns, there's rules, etc. There's a touch of simulationism in that rules describe the world, we're tracking resources and the like... but //narrative be damned//. There's no epic story; you __are__ __not__ //Big Damn Heroes™//. You're a band of ragtag [[definitions#adventurer|murder hobos]] that kill monsters and take their stuff then fritter the proceeds away on weird schemes, orgies and mind-altering substances of your choice. (A good way to put it comes from an old-school blog I read: //[[http://jeffro.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/the-five-prerequisites-for-player-skill/|“First, it’s not a story, it’s a game. Second, you don’t win because you’re heroes. You’re heroes if you win.”]]//) Players make their own stories for their characters because it makes it worth so much more than something just handed to you; if you're not into that and just want to explore, roll dice and fight, that's great, too! | Speaking of, a game should be just that: **gamey**. Players move their characters around, things are measured in turns, there's rules, etc. There's a touch of simulationism in that rules describe the world, we're tracking resources and the like... but //narrative be damned//. There's no epic story; you __are__ __not__ //Big Damn Heroes™//. You're a band of ragtag [[dict>adventurer|murder hobos]] that kill monsters and take their stuff then fritter the proceeds away on weird schemes, orgies and mind-altering substances of your choice. (A good way to put it comes from an old-school blog I read: //[[http://jeffro.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/the-five-prerequisites-for-player-skill/|“First, it’s not a story, it’s a game. Second, you don’t win because you’re heroes. You’re heroes if you win.”]]//) Players make their own stories for their characters because it makes it worth so much more than something just handed to you; if you're not into that and just want to explore, roll dice and fight, that's great, too! |
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| Finally, I'm looking for **minimal preparation time for sessions**. I want a game where I don't spend four hours prepping for every hour at the table. I've done that before and it wasn't fun for me. I'll be exercising my creativity by doing a lot of riffing off sparse notes and random tables at the table and playing on what happens during actual play. | Finally, I'm looking for **minimal preparation time for sessions**. I want a game where I don't spend four or more hours prepping for every hour at the table. I've done that before and it wasn't fun for me. I'll be exercising my creativity by doing a lot of riffing off sparse notes and random tables at the table and playing on what happens during actual play. |
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| ===== Scheduling ===== | ===== Scheduling ===== |
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| **The players are in control.** The game is specifically designed to be flexible, so that it can fit into the schedule of busy adults. You play as you find time to play, and just because so-and-so can't make it this week it doesn't mean everyone else can't play if they're all available. If you can play once a week that's fine, and if you can only play once a month, that's fine too. | **The players are in control of when we play.** The game is specifically designed to be flexible so that it can fit into the schedule of busy adults. You play as you find time to play, and just because so-and-so can't make it this week it doesn't mean everyone else can't play if everyone else is available. If you can play once a week that's fine, and if you can only play once every few months that's fine too. |
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| Game sessions only happen when the players decide to do something. The players initiate all adventures and it's their job to schedule games and organize an adventuring party once they decide on an objective. | Game sessions only happen when the players decide to do something. The players initiate all adventures and it's their job to schedule games and organize an adventuring party once they decide on an objective. |
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| There is an email list for the campaign that players must join by [[old:reference:prospective_players_faq|visiting the site]]TODO or [[mailto:bogusemail@example.com|sending an email to the group]]TODO. Players interested in playing on a given day should post to the list and say what they would like to do, looking for others who would like to join them on the expedition. An example message may be something like, "I'd like to play Sunday afternoon, and think we should go check out the ruined monastery that we heard about past the Gloomy Hills. Who's interested?" Players might suggest alternate dates, different objectives or whatever, but it is up to the players to reach consensus and organize the expedition. | There is [[https://www.facebook.com/groups/diceanddoritos|a Facebook group for the campaign]] that players should join to aid in coordinating discussion between players. Players interested in playing on a given day should post to the list and say what they would like to do, looking for others who would like to join them on the expedition. An example message may be something like, "I'd like to play Sunday afternoon, and think we should go check out the ruined monastery that we heard about past the Gloomy Hills. Who's interested?" Players might suggest alternate dates, different objectives or whatever, but it is up to the players to reach consensus and organize the expedition. |
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| - The players have to secure a place to play. | - The players have to secure a place to play. |
| - The players have to tell the DM where they plan on going well in advance (at least five calendar days, but more is always better) so he has a chance to prepare anything that needs to be completed. | - The players have to tell the DM where they plan on going well in advance (at least five calendar days, but more is always better) so he has a chance to prepare anything that needs to be completed. |
| - There must be at least three players in attendance, but no more than six. | - There must be at least two players in attendance, but no more than six. |
| - The DM can veto an idea that sounds completely boring and not worth a game session. | - The DM can veto an idea that sounds completely boring and not worth a game session. |
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| ===== Player pool ===== | ===== Player pool ===== |
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| The game is an open table game, drawn from a wide((For sufficiently broad definitions of "wide.")) pool of players. There is no regular party and each session may draw on different members of the pool. | The game is an [[dict>open_table_game|open table game]], drawn from a wide((For sufficiently broad definitions of "wide.")) pool of players. There is no regular party and each session may draw on the characters of different members of the pool. |
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| Ideally, we'll have a good sized group of players to draw on in time (//tell your friends!//). Once the numbers reach a critical mass we'll likely have regulars who play most sessions and some others who make sessions occasionally as they can find the time. | Ideally, we'll have a good sized group of players to draw on in time (//tell your friends!//). Once the numbers reach a critical mass we'll likely have regulars who play most sessions and some others who make sessions occasionally as they can find the time. |
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| To facilitate the use of a pool of players and supporting unbroken continuity, characters will start and end every session in the taproom of [[gaz:places:the_orc_and_the_pie|The Orc and the Pie]]. Characters that do not return by the end of the session will be subject to rolling on a version of [[http://jrients.blogspot.ca/2008/11/dungeons-dawn-patrol.html|Jeff's Triple Secret Random Dungeon Fate Chart of Very Probable Doom]]. (This also goes for players who must leave the game before the session is ended. They just sort of... wander off or get lost.) | To facilitate the use of a pool of players and supporting unbroken continuity, characters will start and end every session in the taproom of [[gaz:orc_and_pie|The Orc and the Pie]]. Characters that do not return by the end of the session will be subject to rolling on [[:rules:house:fate_chart_of_doom|a version of Jeff Rients' Triple Secret Random Dungeon Fate Chart of Very Probable Doom]]. (This also goes for players who must leave the game before the session is ended. They just sort of... wander off or get lost.) |
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| ===== Where can I find out about the setting? ===== | ===== Where can I find out about the setting? ===== |
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| The best way is probably to ask an existing player, but you can read a quick [[reference:quickstart:20_questions|overview]] about some pertinent and gameable information, or read in more depth about the setting in the [[gaz:home|gazetteer]]. | The best way is probably to ask an existing player, but you can read a quick [[:gameinfo:twenty_questions_setting|overview]] about some pertinent and gameable information, or read in more depth about the setting in the [[gaz:|gazetteer]]. |
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| ===== You said this is an old-school game? ===== | ===== You said this is an old-school game? ===== |
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| Yes, I said this is an [[reference:meta:definitions#old-school_gaming|old-school]] game. Old-school rules, old-school mentality. | Yes, I said this is an [[dict>old-school_gaming|old-school]] game. Old-school rules, old-school mentality. |
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| ==== Okay, what's that mean? ==== | In general that means that we're playing rules-light, and that means a lot of DM rulings rather than having 2,500 pages of rules for every possible eventuality. Let's //just play//, y'know? As eventualities come up, we'll handle them. |
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| Whatever I think it means. ;-) | |
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| However, in general that means that we're playing rules-light, and that means a lot of DM rulings rather than having 2,500 pages of rules for every possible eventuality. Let's //just play//, y'know? As eventualities come up, we'll handle them. | ==== What if I don't agree with your rulings? ==== |
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| === DM fiat? Can't that lead to abuse? What if the DM is a dick? === | |
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| There has to be trust at the table. If you don't trust me as a DM, then perhaps you should go play //World of Warcraft// or find a different game. | |
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| === What if I don't agree with your rulings? === | |
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| Here, fill this form out in triplicate, using black pen... | Here, fill this form out in triplicate, using black pen... |
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| [[reference:meta:definitions#rule_zero|Actually, I addressed that already.]] | In all seriousness, [[dict>rule_zero|I addressed that already.]] If you have been playing a while and are having trouble with this aspect of old-school gaming, perhaps you should step back and consider the context of the game. Are you being a [[dict>rules_lawyer|rules lawyer]]? Maybe rules-light isn't for you? Are you trying to twist things to get unfair advantages? Could this simply be a very difficult task, opponent or area you are up against? |
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| If you have been playing a while and feel this way, perhaps you should step back and consider the context of the game. Am I being a [[reference:meta:definitions#rules_lawyer|rules lawyer]]? Am I trying to twist things to get unfair advantages? Could this simply be a very difficult task, opponent or area I am against? | |
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| If you haven't even played, and you're already wrapped up in that then I feel for you. You must have been in some pretty crap games before, but don't project it on me. | |
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| ==== I'd rather play <insert your favorite new-school game> instead. / Can't we just make it like <insert some houserule here>? ==== | ==== I'd rather play <insert your favorite new-school game> instead. / Can't we just make it like <insert some houserule here>? ==== |
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| No. | No. We're playing [[dict>classic_d_d|classic D&D]] with Basic Fantasy RPG rules. |
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| Well, okay, that's not //entirely// accurate. You can if you go run your own game. | |
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| === ...define a marching order? === | === ...define a marching order? === |
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| If you want to put minis on the table in a marching order, that's cool. It helps me pick out logical victims instead of choosing them at random. ;-) | If you want to put minis or counters on the table in a marching order, that's cool. It helps me pick out logical victims instead of choosing them at random. ;-) |
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| You can also put them facing, to show who's watching what flank, who's watching behind, etc. It doesn't actually mean you're walking backwards or sideways (unless... you are, I guess), it just means you're responsible for watching that direction. | |
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| | You can also put them facing, to show who's watching what flank, who's watching behind, etc. It doesn't actually mean you're walking backwards or sideways (unless... you are, I guess?), it just means you're responsible for watching that direction. |
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| === ...have a caller? === | === ...have a caller? === |
| === ...map as we adventure? === | === ...map as we adventure? === |
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| No. It's no skin off my nose if you get lost. 8-) (Remember that [[reference:meta:prospective_players_faq#Player Pool|you must end the session in the back at the Orc and Pie]]; if you end the session lost or camping in the wild you are probably going to get hosed.) | That's up to you. It's no skin off my nose if you get lost. 8-) (Remember that [[#Player Pool|you must end the session in the back in civilization]]; if you end the session lost or camping in the wild you are probably going to get hosed.) |
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| There's a lot of advantages to mapping, though. A well-done map helps you find what has changed since previous expeditions, or plan new ones. It also tends to help experienced players find hidden areas or work out better routes through dangerous territories that may be overrun with new enemy groups. It may help you have a strategic advantage as well. A map doesn't have to be an exact representation of the DM's map. It can be anything from boxes for rooms connected with lines to a rough drawing and still be useful. Don't look at mapping as a chore, but an opportunity. | There's a lot of advantages to mapping, though. A well-done map helps you find what has changed since previous visits to the area, or plan new expeditions. It also tends to help experienced players find hidden areas or work out better routes through dangerous territory that may be overrun with enemies or monsters. It may help you have a strategic advantage as well. A map doesn't have to be an exact representation of the DM's map. It can be anything from boxes for rooms connected with lines to a rough drawing and still be useful. Don't look at mapping as a chore, but an opportunity. |
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| By the way, protect that map in-game! If it's destroyed in-game, the real one will be destroyed too (and you can't use backups unless you have one in-game). | By the way, protect that map in-game! If it's destroyed in-game, the real one will be destroyed too (and you can't use backups unless you have one in-game). |
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| === ...keep track of ammunition, rations and other expendables? === | === ...keep track of ammunition, rations and other expendables? === |
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| Yep. | Yes, sorta. |
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| One of the challenges of old-school games is the resource management aspect. To mount a successful expedition into the wild or underworld the party brings men and matériel to bear to survive and overcome obstacles. We need to keep track of the consumables to make that meaningful. Normally, as characters gain power (typically in spells and magic items) this becomes less of an issue, but that's because the focus of the game shifts somewhat from the management of mundane resources to magical ones (which for some reason players have less of an issue with). | One of the challenges of old-school games is the resource management aspect. To mount a successful expedition into the wild or underworld the party brings men and matériel to bear to survive and overcome obstacles. We need to keep track of the consumables to make that meaningful. Normally, as characters gain power (typically in spells and magic items) this becomes less of an issue, but that's because the focus of the game shifts somewhat from the management of mundane resources to magical ones (which for some reason players have less of an issue with). |
| Also, it brings a fun aspect to the game when you realize, "hey, when we left the packbearer in that room to be eaten by the owlbear he was carrying all our extra torches!" | Also, it brings a fun aspect to the game when you realize, "hey, when we left the packbearer in that room to be eaten by the owlbear he was carrying all our extra torches!" |
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| | Nonetheless... it's a real pain to keep track of every. Little. Thing. Thus, common expendable items will be represented by a die roll. |
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| | For example, a quiver of arrows may be represented by a d6; roll a 1 on a d6 after firing arrows during a combat and your quiver may be exhausted. This way, there's a bit of randomness to the amount of arrows, which can be accounted for in recovery of arrows, etc. It's an abstraction, but it works. |
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| | TODO //Adjust for new rules for exhausting ammo// |
| === ...track our encumbrance? === | === ...track our encumbrance? === |
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| Seriously, though, splitting the party is dangerous at best, foolish at worst. Depending on the action, I may ask people not present to leave the game table, or take those who are currently acting aside. | Seriously, though, splitting the party is dangerous at best, foolish at worst. Depending on the action, I may ask people not present to leave the game table, or take those who are currently acting aside. |
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| Sometimes it just doesn't matter. We can all agree not to [[definitions#metagaming|metagame]] the situation, right? (Right?) | Sometimes it just doesn't matter. We can all agree not to [[dict>metagaming|metagame]] the situation, right? (//Right?//) |
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| === "But, but... that's not our standard operating procedure!" === | === “But, but... that's not our standard operating procedure!” === |
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| I don't //**do**// "standard operating procedures" outside of marching orders marked with minis or on paper. You're a rowdy band of [[definitions#adventurer|tomb robbers]], not a trained SEAL team. You tell me what you're doing as you're doing it, or you're not doing it. If you don't define everything fully, I reserve the right to fill in details as I wish. | I won't consider "standard operating procedures" outside of marching orders marked with minis or on paper. You're a rowdy band of [[dict>adventurer|tomb robbers]] (that probably varies from delve to delve), not an elite SEAL team with incredible knowledge of your target and its composition given to you by an immense intelligence apparatus. |
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| | You tell me what you're doing as you're doing it, or you're not doing it. |
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| ==== Old-school / D&D / DM fiat sucks! I won't play your crappy game! ==== | ==== Old-school / D&D / DM fiat sucks! I won't play your crappy game! ==== |
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| Suit yourself. I always do. | [[wiki:further_thoughts|See here for further thoughts on this.]] |
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| ===== Backstories, dramastics, natural LARPers and barfing on the table ===== | ===== Backstories, dramastics, natural LARPers and barfing on the table ===== |
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| ==== "Let me tell you about my character," or... elaborate backstories ==== | ==== “Let me tell you about my character,” or... elaborate backstories ==== |
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| To me, a character's story begins when he's rolled up. A backstory should be a one-line description and a one-line background ("Conan is a long-haired, swarthy barbarian with oiled muscles. He seeks revenge on the sorcerer that destroyed his village and killed his parents"). Everything that happens after that is your character's life. | To me, a character's story begins when he's rolled up. A backstory should be a one-line description and a one-line background ("Conan is a long-haired, swarthy barbarian with oiled muscles. He seeks revenge on the sorcerer that destroyed his village and killed his parents"). Everything that happens after that is your character's life. |
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| Some players aren't happy if their characters don't have big, elaborate backstories. If you're one of those, feel free, but I am free to use, use against or totally ignore any part of it. If you insist that you are truly a member of the royal court of Zelbar then you may get arrested for impersonating royalty, or people may keep asking you where this mythical land of "Zelbar" is because it doesn't even exist! NPCs may just think you're a bit off and have bad reactions to you because you obviously live in a fantasy world of your own making. (Heh.) | Some players aren't happy if their characters don't have big, elaborate backstories. If you're one of those, feel free, but I am free to use, use against or totally ignore any part of it. If you insist that you are truly a member of the royal court of Zelbar then you may get arrested for impersonating royalty, or people may keep asking you where this mythical land of "Zelbar" is because it doesn't even exist! NPCs may just think you're a bit off and have bad reactions to you because you obviously live in a fantasy world of your own making (pun intended). |
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| I'm not really down with [[definitions#flailsnails conventions|FLAILSNAILS]]. Sure, I could translate the character on the fly and limit things as I want, but it's more trouble than I want to deal with having to translate magic items, spell descriptions, special powers or skills, etc. I'd rather just have characters for the campaign from the campaign and not have to worry about all the extra work. | I'm not really down with [[dict>flailsnails_conventions|FLAILSNAILS]]. Sure, I could translate the character on the fly and limit things as I want, but it's more trouble than I want to deal with having to translate magic items, spell descriptions, special powers or skills, etc. I'd rather just have characters for the campaign from the campaign and not have to worry about all the extra work. |
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| ==== (Online) Games that aren't FLAILSNAILS suck! I won't play your crappy game if I can't bring my character! ==== | ==== (Online) Games that aren't FLAILSNAILS suck! I won't play your crappy game if I can't bring my character! ==== |
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| Suit yourself. I always do. | [[#old-schoold_ddm_fiat_sucks_i_won_t_play_your_crappy_game|Refer to the answer here.]] |
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| ===== Rules questions ===== | ===== Rules questions ===== |
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| TODO -- //go over this and modify as needed// | The base rule set is //[[http://basicfantasy.org|Basic Fantasy RPG]]//, which heavily based on the [[dict>red_box_d_d|old Basic/Expert Dungeons & Dragons boxed sets from '81]] along with some changes. To mix that up, there is a slate of [[dict>house_rules|house rules]], which was pretty much always the case when I played as a kid, plus some stuff I just dig or think would be fun. (I'm an inveterate rules tinkerer.) |
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| The base rule set is //[[wp>Labyrinth Lord]]//, which is a 98.726% faithful restatement (give or take :-)) of the rules in the old Basic/Expert //Dungeons & Dragons// boxed sets from '81 (a/k/a "B/X" or "Moldvay"). To mix that up, there is a slate of house rules, which was pretty much always the case when I played as a kid, plus some stuff I just dig or think would be fun. (I'm an inveterate rules tinkerer.) | When the rules differ, we will defer to [[dict>house_rules|house rules]] first, and //BFRPG// second. |
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| Effectively, once you remove small class differences, the experience tables and the like then they're essentially the same game. When the rules differ, we will defer to house rules first, and //Labyrinth Lord// second. | |
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| ==== Race as class? Really? ==== | ==== Race as class? Really? ==== |
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| Yep. I like race as class. It makes the character races a bit more "foreign." However, a racially-classed character can (sometimes) take a second class in the special multiclassing rules, so it helps differentiate some characters a bit. | Yep. I like race as class. It makes the character races a bit more "foreign" or "alien." However, a racially-classed character can (sometimes) take a second class in the special multiclassing rules, so it helps differentiate some characters a bit. |
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| ==== Where's the paladin? The bard? My favoritest character class EVAR???//?11! ==== | ==== Where's the paladin? The bard? My favoritest character class EVAR???//?11! ==== |
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| Even classes for nonhuman races could be defined; if we had ratmen, they'd be their own class, but a rat man cultist would likely be a rat man with a secondary class of cleric or magic-user, say. However, not all nonhuman races can be mixed with all classes. | Even classes for nonhuman races could be defined; if we had ratmen, they'd be their own class, but a rat man cultist would likely be a rat man with a secondary class of cleric or magic-user, say. However, not all nonhuman races can be mixed with all classes. |
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| | ==== Being edgy, or, where's the tiefling/dragonborn/drow elf? or, can I play an evil character? ==== |
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| | {{:gameinfo:angtft.jpg?direct&80 |Ain't *nobody* got time for that.}}We're all here to have fun and play a game, but for some reason we all know //D&D// can attract people who take it to be their way to explore their more... antisocial tendencies (whether or not they explore them in their own life). For some, it's not fun to have someone else in the party who is edgy and brooding //just// to be edgy and brooding, or going around stealing from party members, attacking them or causing trouble because "they're acting in character." |
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| | I know you're supposed to roleplay, but having to watch your back against the world and also your compatriots or suffer the consequences of someone who is random for no purpose but their own edification is just... exhausting. [[gameinfo:table_etiquette#the_keyword_is_respect|It's also not fun.]] At the table, let's agree that the party are all allies and we hunt the monsters, not //be// the monsters. |
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| | === Well, if I can't be one of those... then I don't want to play! === |
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